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trick or treat.........?

Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:04:07 GMT

this message is to all the mind control scum that fish tribe, myspace and other sites looking for fresh meat for your sick
mind control crap............ to project bluebird, project MK-ULTRA,haarp, project monarch... oh and for barbie and the twins...
a treat from me, to you for all the people who have had to deal with your sick crap........... this world will be free, if you dont like it
jump in the space ships you claim to have and go back to the star systems you claim your from ...........but before you go, take some of these
from me to you as special TREAT------http://people.tribe.net/cortez-aztec-sun/photos/80b3a398-a24d-490c-82de-69c8b1c346d1#
oh and have a beautiful day..... and remember I AM just-----not we are -1- -x-

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ahhh the dogon bunny dog star stone....

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:37:20 GMT

http://people.tribe.net/bluesunblackhawk/photos/4abe72b8-7e48-49dd-b4bc-7294068578fa

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there you go you dogon your white star.....bunny stone....

Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:44:26 GMT

enjoy....

http://people.tribe.net/bluestar2007/photos/fe116a21-9423-484a-9c25-b5e3547f73e0

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sirius dog stone

Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:41:34 GMT

anyone want to help me with this one seems the helper i had lost her voice.... i found a stone it has a sun which is also a dog and a rabbit is what the whole stone is.. the sun is on his ass, its crystal and white, so i guess you could call him moonshine rabbit..... no im not posting pictures of this guy... so if anyone knows how this beautiful creation ended up in my hands or what to do with it please feel free to school me.. the stone has tons of energy coming out of it all positive and beautiful.... so all you smart dogons please let me know what you think about this one ok.... thank you..s- ps.. hello tiger friend, thanks for the help....

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The Masters of Speech

chaz — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:31:15 GMT

great site
http://themasterofspeech.com/index.html

The Master of Speech deciphers the ancient mythology of the Dogon, an isolated African tribe who live along a 200-kilometre stretch of escarpment called the Cliffs of Bandiagara near Timbuktu. The French anthropologist Griaule recorded the Dogon mythology in 1947 in his book, Conversations with Ogotemmêli.

The Dogon had knowledge of the triple star Sirius system that was told to Griaule long before modern astronomers discovered the third star in the system in 1995. The Dogon told Griaule they had obtained their knowledge from amphibious beings who came to Earth from the Sirius star system. After extensive analysis of this mythology, Dorey reveals that these alien beings called Nummo were responsible for human creation through genetic engineering. She further proves that their contact with the Earth resulted in the evolution of most of the world's major religions. The Master of Speech focuses on the connections between paganism, Christianity, and the Greek and Egyptian mythologies. It reveals the connection of the Zodiac to this mythology and refers to the destruction of the Earth as told in Plato's Timeas relating to Atlantis. It talks about the human unconscious and our relationship to time and immortality.

The information presented in this book will be disturbing for some individuals. The facts however speak for themselves. This is a must read for anyone wanting to come to terms with the truth about the beginning of human existence.

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Blues4Kali

amana — Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:37:43 GMT

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Nuttin but Da Twuth

gebrelu — Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:42:20 GMT

Gays: Guardians of the Gates
An Interview with Malidoma Somé
This article appeared in the September, 1993 issue of M.E.N. Magazine.

Malidoma Somé recognizes that he learned more through his initiation as
a Dagara tribesman than from his PhDs from the Sorbonne and Brandeis
University. His name means "be friendly to strangers," and he is
charged by his elders of the Dagara tribe of Burkina Faso (west of
Nigeria and north of Ghana) with bringing the wisdom of his tribe to
the West. His book Ritual: Power, Healing and Community (reviewed in
this issue) is highly praised.

During one of the Conflict Hours at the Mendocino Men¹s Conference
Malidoma spoke eloquently on indigenous people¹s views of gay men. He
kindly agreed to elaborate on his views as he sat with me among the
redwoods of Mendocino.

Bert: At Conflict Hour you told us that your culture honors gays as
having a higher vibrational level that enabled them to be guardians of
the gateways to the spirit world. You suggested that our Western view
limits itself by focusing only on their sexual role. Can you elaborate
for our readers?
Malidoma: I don¹t know how to put it in terms that are clear enough for
an audience that, I think needs as much understanding of this gender
issue as people in this country do. But at least among the Dagara
people, gender has very little to do with anatomy. It is purely
energetic. In that context, a male who is physically male can vibrate
female energy, and vice versa. That is where the real gender is.
Anatomic differences are simply there to determine who contributes what
for the continuity of the tribe. It does not mean, necessarily, that
there is a kind of line that divides people on that basis. And this is
something that also touches on what has become known here as the "gay"
or "homosexual" issue. Again, in the culture that I come from, this is
not the issue. These people are looked on, essentially, as people. The
whole notion of "gay" does not exist in the indigenous world. That does
not mean that there are not people there who feel the way that certain
people feel in this culture, that has led to them being referred to as
"gay."

The reason why I¹m saying there are no such people is because the gay
person is very well integrated into the community, with the functions
that delete this whole sexual differentiation of him or her. The gay
person is looked at primarily as a "gatekeeper." The Earth is looked
at, from my tribal perspective, as a very, very delicate machine or
consciousness, with high vibrational points, which certain people must
be guardians of in order for the tribe to keep its continuity with the
gods and with the spirits that dwell there. Spirits of this world and
spirits of the other worlds. Any person who is at this link between
this world and the other world experiences a state of vibrational
consciousness which is far higher, and far different, from the one that
a normal person would experience. This is what makes a gay person gay.
This kind of function is not one that society votes for certain people
to fulfill. It is one that people are said to decide on prior to being
born. You decide that you will be a gatekeeper before you are born. And
it is that decision that provides you with the equipment (Malidoma
gestures by circling waist area with hands) that you bring into this
world. So when you arrive here you begin to vibrate in a way that
Elders can detect as meaning that you are connected with a gateway
somewhere. Then they watch you grow, and they watch you act and react,
and sooner or later they will follow you to the gateway that you are
connected with.

Now, gay people have children. Because they¹re fertile, just like
normal people. How I got to know that they were gay was because on
arriving in this country and seeing the serious issues surrounding gay
people, I began to wonder if it does not exist in my own country? When
I asked one of them, who hd taken me to the threshold of the
Otherworld, whether he feels sexual attraction towards another man, he
jumped back and said, "How do you know that?!" He said, "This is our
business as gatekeepers." And, yet he had a wife and children -- no
problem, you see.

To limit gay people to simple sexual orientation is really the worst
harm that can be done to a person. That all he or she is, is a sexual
person. And, personally, because of the fact that my knowledge of
indigenous medicine, ritual, comes from gatekeepers, it¹s hard for me
to take this position that gay people are the negative breed of a
society. No! In a society that is profoundly dysfunctional, what
happens is that peoples¹ life purposes are taken away, and what is left
is this kind of sexual orientation which, in turn, is disturbing to the
very society that created it.

I think this is again victimization by a Christian establishment that
is looking at a gay person as a disempowered person, a person who has
lost his job from birth onward, and now society just wants to fire him
out of life. This is not justice. It¹s not justice. It is a terrible
harm done to an energy that could save the world, that could save us.
If, today, we are suffering from a gradual ecological waste, this is
simply because the gatekeepers have been fired from their job. They
have been fired! They have nothing to do! And because they have been
fired, we accuse them for not doing anything. This is not fair!

Let us look at the earth differently, and we will find out gradually
that these people that are bothering us today are going to start taking
their posts. They know what their job is. You just have to get near
them, to feel that they don¹t vibrate the same way. They are not of
this world. They come from the Otherworld, and they were sent here to
keep the gates open to the Otherworld, because if the gates are shut,
this is when the earth, Mother Earth, will shake -- because it has no
more reason to be alive, it will shake itself, and we will be in deep
trouble.

Bert: Christianity has separated spirit from body and spirit from
Earth. And earlier you talked to us about Christianity suppressing your
culture. So there¹s a suggestion here that suppression of homosexuality
would be the way for the Christians to shut down the gateways, shut
down the spirit, and shut down our connection with the Earth?

Malidoma: Yes! That¹s right! Christianity stresses postponing living on
earth, as of we are only here to pack up our baggage and prepare for a
life somewhere else "out there." Jesus Christ is right here, man! And
of course anyone else who knows more, who knows better, will be
suppressed.

So you start with the gatekeepers. You take the gatekeeper and you
confuse their mind. You threaten them and you throw them in the middle
of nowhere. Then nobody knows where the gate is. As soon as you lose
the whereabouts of the gate, then you have a culture going downhill.
What keeps a village together is a handful of "gays and lesbians," as
they call them in the modern world. In my village, lesbians are called
witches, and gay men are known as the gatekeepers. These are the two
only known secret societies. These are the only groups that will get
together as a separate group and go out into the woods secretly to do
whatever they do. And if they find you during their yearly symposium,
they have the right to kill you.
Unless they go out on their yearly symposium, the village cannot be
granted another year of life. They have to go out to do what they do,
in order for the village to feel safe enough to live the way it has
lived before. This is why, to me, we¹re playing with our lives.

Bert: So our culture may not be granted another year of life?

Malidoma: That¹s right! Every year it feels like the number of years
that this culture is entitled to live is getting smaller. So God only
knows how close to the chasm this culture is. This constantly-
reiterated discomfort and hatred for the gay person is again another
indication that every year we might as well be prepared for the
apocalyptic moment when the stars start to fall to the earth.

You see, unless there is somebody who constantly
monitors the mechanism that opens the door from this world to the
Otherworld, what happens is that something can happen to one of the
doors and it closes up. When all the doors are closed, this earth runs
out of its own orbit and the solar system collapses into itself. And
because this system is linked to other systems, they too start to fall
into a whirlpool. And the cataclysm would be amazing!

Ask the Dogon, they will tell you that. The Dogon. They¹re a tribe that
understands this so well, it¹s amazing, mind-boggling. And it is a
tribe that knows astrology like no other tribe that I have encountered.
And the great astrologers of the Dogon are gay. They are gay. There is
a dull planet that, in its orbit, is directly above the Dogon village
every 58 years. Who knows that, but the gay people. I mean, I¹m not
just trying to make gay people look fine. This is the truth, man! I¹m
trying to save my ass!

Why is it that, everywhere else in the world, gay people are a
blessing, and in the modern world they are a curse? It is self-evident.
The modern world was built by Christianity. They have taken the gods
out of the earth sent them to heaven, wherever that is. And everyone
who aspires to the gods must then negotiate with Christianity, so that
the real priests and priestesses are out of a job. This is the worst
thing that can happen to a culture that calls itself modern.

Bert: That theme came up earlier with you and Martín, the Mayan shaman
here, that if a modern society wants to shut down another culture they
will go out and kill the keepers of the ritual.

Malidoma: Oh, yes! Because they know that this is where the life-pulse
of the culture is. This is where the engine room of the tribe is. So if
you go and bomb that place, then the whole mechanism shuts down. That¹s
pretty much what¹s at work in the third world, and what has happened
here with the Native American culture. And the thing about it is that
humans are going to be begetting gatekeepers, no matter what. This is
the chance that we¹ve got. So maybe that means that sooner or later
we¹re going to wake up to the horror of our own errors, and we¹re going
to reconsecrate our chosen people so that they can do their priestly
work as they should. Otherwise, I just don¹t understand. I just don¹t
understand. My position about it is not so much that gays be just
forgiven. That¹s just tokenism. But that they serve as an example of
the wrong, or the illness, that modernity has brought to us, and that
we use that to begin working at healing ourselves and our society from
the bottom up. That way, by the time we reach a certain level, all the
gatekeepers are going to find their positions again. We cannot tell
them where the gates are. They know. If we start to heal ourselves,
they will remember. It will kick in. But as long as we continue in
arrogance, in egotism, in God-knows-what form of violence on ourselves,
no, there¹s that veil of confusion that¹s going to continue to prevail,
and as a result it¹s going to prevent great things from happening.
That¹s all I can say about that.

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Web site about the Dogons

Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:33:23 GMT

http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html

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What are some good books on the Dogons?

Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:36:40 GMT

Hi all, new to group here.

I'm looking for a good, straightforward, scholarly book on the Dogon tribe. While I am interested in their connection with Sirius I have avoided books that dwell too deeply on the subject or are too New Agey.

Any help appreciated.
Darwin

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tribe pic

hunabku — Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:13:57 GMT

whats up wit the "magic the gathering" elf card pic??
thats no Dogon!

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Dogon Theory of Creation

indiaijaya — Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:05:20 GMT

Red Overtone Skywalker entering White Rhythmic Wizard
12/12 to 13/12

from:
http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon2.html

The Dogon people are an indigeous tribe who occupy a region in Mali, south of the Sahara Desert in Africa. There are about 100,000 members in the tribe.

They are a reclusive tribe of cave and hillside-dwelling farming people inhabiting a sparse, rocky plateau in southeastern Mali, West Africa. They live in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu. Isolated topographically and culturally from the outside world for countless centuries, they may well appear on first sight to be exceedingly unlikely receptacles of highly advanced astronomical knowledge which only goes to show just how easily we can be deceived by outward appearances.

They are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE.

The first Western scientists to visit and study the Dogon people were French anthropologists Drs Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who initially made contact with them in 1931, and continued to research them for the next three decades, culminating in a detailed study conducted between 1946-1950. During their work, these anthropologists documented the traditional mythology and sacred beliefs of the Dogon, which included an extraordinary body of ancient lore regarding Sirius the brilliant, far-distant Dog Star.

Their priests told them of a secret Dogon myth about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the Earth. The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.

Sirius - which we now call Sirius A - was not seen through a telescope until 1862 and was not photographed until 1970.

The Dogon name for Sirius B (Po Tolo) consists of the word for star (tolo) and "po," the name of the smallest seed known to them. By this name they describe the star's smallness -- it is, they say, "the smallest thing there is."

They also claim that it is "the heaviest star," and white.

The tribe claims that Po is composed of a mysterious, super-dense metal called sagala which, they declare, is heavier than all the iron on Earth. Not until 1926 did Western science discover that this tiny star is a white dwarf a category of star characterised by very great density. In the case of Sirius B, astronomers have estimated that a single cubic metre of its matter weighs about 20,000 tonnes.

Many artifacts were found describing the star system, including a statue examined by Dieterlen that is at least 400 years old.

They go on to say that it has an is elliptical orbit, with Sirius A at one foci of the ellipse (as it is), that the orbital period is 50 years (the actual figure is 50.04 +/- 0.09 years), and that the star rotates on its own axis (it does). The Dogon also describe a third star in the Sirius system, called "Emme Ya" ("Sorghum Female"). In orbit around this star, they say, is a single satellite. To date, Emme Ya has not been identified by astronomers.

In addition to their knowledge of Sirius B, the Dogon mythology includes Saturn's rings, and Jupiter's four major moons. They have four calendars, for the Sun, Moon, Sirius, and Venus, and have long known that planets orbit the sun.

The Dogon say their astronomical knowledge was given to them by the Nommos, amphibious beings sent to Earth from Sirius for the benefit of mankind. The name comes from a Dogon word meaning 'to make one drink', and the Nommos are also called 'Masters of the Water', the 'Monitors', and the 'Teachers'.

Nommos

Watching the Nommo arrive

The Dogon tells the legend of the Nommos, awful-looking beings who arrived in a vessel along with fire and thunder.

After they arrived here - they put out a reservoir of water onto the Earth then dove into the water.

There are references in the oral traditions, drawings and cuneiform tablets of the Dogons, to human looking beings who have feet but who are portrayed as having a large fish skin running down their bodies.

The Nommos were more fishlike than human, and had to live in water. They were saviors and spiritual guardians: "The Nommo divided his body among men to feed them; that is why it is also said that as the universe "had drunk of his body," the Nommo also made men drink. He gave all his life principles to human beings."

The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future will again visit the Earth, this time in human form. Later he will assume his amphibious form and will rule the world from the waters.

Dogon mythology is known only by a number of their priests, and is a complex system of knowledge. Such carefully guarded secrets would not be divulged to friendly strangers very easily. If the star Emme Ya is eventually discovered in the Sirius system, this would give considerably weight to the Dogon's story.

The Nommos, who could live on land but dwelled mostly in the sea, were part fish, like merfolk (mermaids and mermen).

Similar creatures have been noted in other ancient civilizations -- Sumer, Babylonia's Oannes, Acadia's Ea, Sumer's Enki, and Egypt's goddess Isis.

It was from the Nommos that the Dogon claimed their knowledge of the heavens.

The Dogon also claimed that a third star (Emme Ya) existed in the Sirius system. Larger and lighter than Sirius B, this star revolved around Sirius as well. And around it orbited a planet from which the Nommos came. (Sirius A).

Acccording to Robert Temple's Book The Sirius Mystery, the Dogon, a tribe of about 100,000 in western Africa, have had contact with extraterrestrials. One of Temple's main pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star Sirius. The Dogon are supposed to know that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes fifty years. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Dogon to explain their beliefs. There are a number of other astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon which are curious; e.g., traditional belief in a heliocentric system and elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena; knowledge of satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other things. Where did they get this knowledge, if not from extraterrestrial visitors? They don't have telescopes or other scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge?

Carl Sagan concludes that the Dogon could not have acquired their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological civilisation. He suggests, however, that that civilisation was terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Western Africa has had many visitors from technological societies located on planet Earth. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. As Sagan notes, if a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920s and 1930s, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the centre of Dogon mythology.

Furthermore, there had been a good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Century technological matters beyond their understanding brought to them by visitors from other parts of Earth and transmitted in conversation. (Sagan notes that some of the discussion of the day involved the nature of white dwarfs, for example. Sirius B is a white dwarf, an extremely dense star, e.g., about a tonne to the cubic inch.)

Chronologically, the earliest of these amphibious entities would appear to be the Babylonian fish-people. They were known to the Babylonians as the Annedoti, which translates as 'repulsive', but notwithstanding their unappealing appearance they were sufficiently influential for the Babylonians to accept their teachings and acquire from them the fundamental tenets of civilisation. The most august member of the Annedoti was Oannes, portrayed in ancient Babylonian depictions as a curious, complex hybrid of human and fish, with a bearded man's head beneath the head of a fish, and the body of a fish borne upon the back of a man's body.

According to Babylonian legends, this aquatic deity would come on land during the day to teach the people, and would dive back at night into the Persian Gulf, where he lived in an underwater palace called the Apsu. Was Oannes the original Nommo?

Equivalent to Oannes in the religion of the Philistines at Philistia (in what is now Israel) was a human-bodied, fish-tailed deity called Dagon. Further to the west, Pharos in northern Egypt was said to be the home of 'the Old Man of the Sea' a shape-shifting amphibious deity known as Proteus, son of Oceanus and renowned among the ancient Greeks as an oracle. Significantly, their traditional legends specifically claimed that he often sheltered in a cave to avoid the heat of Sirius.

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